What Does John 17:5 Mean in the King James?
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
The analysis reads the King James wording.
King James Version The King James Version, first published in 1611. Selah Verse shows the standard text.
THE KEY
The glory Jesus asks to share is already his with the Father before the world exists, so creation does not begin their shared life.
THE MEANING
You encounter glory here as shared presence and weight: the Son is with the Father in the glory he had with him before the world. The world’s beginning does not mark the beginning of this shared life.
WHAT THIS UNDOES
It undoes the assumption that glory originates in public recognition: here it is already shared before the world exists.
THE ROOT
δόξα
doxa
GROWS FROM
δοξ
dox
Weight, honor, and reputation.
“Glory” can sound like acclaim bestowed from outside, but doxa carries the sense of weight and honor. Here that weight belongs to a shared presence with the Father before the world begins.
ALSO GROWS
dokeō: to think, seem, or consider
δοκέω
This related form connects glory with what is regarded or recognized, giving the word a dimension of honor and standing.
doxazō: to glorify or honor
δοξάζω
This verb is the action Jesus asks for: the Father’s own presence makes the shared glory manifest.
THE PATTERN
God’s glory is presence made perceptible within creation, though it is not born from creation.
And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.THE THREAD
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.John 1:14 uses the same Greek word, doxa, for the glory people behold in the Word made flesh. The shared glory named before the world in John 17:5 is now seen dwelling among us.
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